What is your ‘plan B’ if Lightning doesn’t work? What is the effect of second layers on fees for miners?

These questions are from the Bitcoin Munich meetup and the CryptoCompare Digital Asset Summit, which took place on June 27th and June 12th 2019 respectively. If you want early-access to talks and a chance to participate in the monthly live Q&As with Andreas, become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/aantonop

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37 COMMENTS

  1. In order to upscale enough for a massive use of LN BTC bandwidth will not be insuffisant even for channels openings/closures traffic. Users will have to use custodial services most probably owned by banks (see DCG links with Blockstream) . That will be the end of the bitcoin as a ''p2p electronic cash system''. IMO bitcoin has pushed the bandwidth/security cursor too far (99,9% security / 0.01% bandwidth) and can't go backwards. Bitcoin dilemma : if It works (lot or users) it fails, if It fails (few users) it works. Just my 2cts.

  2. As much as I respect Andreas for his competence, his comparison to the internet when it comes to scaling falls short. To scale the internet you just install more and better of the same. Done. Bitcoin? Nope. Can't do that. Scaling Bitcoin is a totally different class of problem.

  3. AA is misguided with scaling. He thinks we should limit scaling to prevent innovative solutions. He is wrong about this. Second layer scaling is unBitcoin. Sure, make the options available, but don't stop scaling onchain.

  4. One of the rare times I disagree with Andreas. The scaling is already occurring, it's just not happening on Bitcoin. People are leaving in droves and creating new platforms without Bitcoin's limitations, creating things like Nano, Digibyte, Stellar…hell, even Ripp– (just through up a little in my mouth). We have Chainlink and Tezos, Holochain and Ethereum, Cardano and Enjin Coin. The thing that ties all these together isn't Bitcoin.

    The issue we're facing today is the hardcore community who think Bitcoin is the new internet, and unfortunately those are the people with the biggest funds right now. But Bitcoin isn't the new internet, just like Apple wasn't the new "phone". The underlying technology that Bitcoin is built on is the new internet, Bitcoin was just the iPhone that convinced everyone blockchain could be for the people.

  5. LOL all of those "plans" could have been done EVEN IF they had increased the block size so this is all smoke and mirrors proving that Bitcoin Core doesn't give a shit about Bitcoin replacing credit cards or bringing banking to the world's unbanked. At $6.00 per transaction (last peak) or $55 per transaction BTC has proven they've abandoned their users and coddles the "hodlers".

  6. Such awesome arguments! I wish you would be on CNBC and other interviews. People representing BTC are really really bad at explaining and providing great arguments as you do.
    I just say Respect to your awesome awesome work. Keep being awesome 😀
    Cheers

  7. Actually, there is solution to scaling … ditch the fully decentralised model. Its a shame you promote this as the ideal architecture, because it comes with a host of serious problems with very few benefits.

  8. What happens if aliens visit us and they perceive our intelligence like we perceive a 3 year olds intelligence and they think "Bitcoin? Oh that's cute! Hold my beer…" Then they hack Bitcoin and remove all our Bitcoins from our wallets just to watch us wake up the next day and freak out.

  9. He didnt the answe to the question "What happen to the security of the network?". His assumptions here is that other SHA256 chains wont exist in which case it might be true. But BSV is there to kill every other shitcoins.
    BSV is Bitcoin
    Read the Whitepaper !!!

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